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]]> By: Unthinkable: de ethiek van het eigen gelijk « RELIREL http://www.ntwrightproject.com/2009/05/08/violence-monsters-and-the-ascension-barth-and-wright-on-the-problem-of-war/#comment-29352 Unthinkable: de ethiek van het eigen gelijk « RELIREL Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:56:26 +0000 http://www.ntwrightproject.com/?p=214#comment-29352 [...] Wat Unthinkable in al zijn onsamenhangendheid onbedoeld wel aantoont is de onmogelijkheid van het dilemma waar we mee zitten: terreur is een reactie op terreur en alleen terreur lijkt daar het antwoord op. Geweld is een spiraal die alleen maar eindeloos door kan gaan, hoeveel ethiek of religie je er ook tegenaan gooit. Ik hoorde een van de bioscoopbezoekers na afloop tegen haar vriendje zeggen, in antwoord op zijn onvermijdelijke vraag (die ik hier niet hardop zal stellen omdat het een spoiler is): `ja, natuurlijk, twee levens tegen een paar miljoen, dat is toch niets…’ En daar verwoordde zij precies de drogredenering die het rookgordijn is van deze hele war-on-terror: het gaat er helemaal niet om wat je doet op het moment dat de dreiging daar is, het gaat erom wat je doet om die dreiging te voorkomen. Een aanslag is altijd het onvermijdelijke gevolg van geweld en uitbuiting van onze kant. Het gaat er niet om welk antwoord we daarop geven, het gaat erom welke vraag we stellen. Wij zelf, ons handelen, het kwaad dat wij over de wereld verspreiden, vormt de legitimatie voor hun geweld tegen ons. Hun geweld en ons geweld zijn inderdaad twee kanten van dezelfde medaille. En die vicieuze cirkel kan alleen maar oneindig door blijven gaan. Het gaat niet om geloof of ongeloof, het gaat niet om waarheid of leugen, het gaat niet om goed of kwaad. Het gaat erom of we onszelf verheffen boven de ander en de ander minder achten dan onszelf. Dienen we een koninkrijk van geweld, dan maakt het niet uit aan welke kant je staat. Of dienen we een koninkrijk van vrede? Maar vrede heeft altijd een prijs, het kost je namelijk jezelf, je eigen gelijk. Unthinkable? No, i don’t think so. [...] [...] Wat Unthinkable in al zijn onsamenhangendheid onbedoeld wel aantoont is de onmogelijkheid van het dilemma waar we mee zitten: terreur is een reactie op terreur en alleen terreur lijkt daar het antwoord op. Geweld is een spiraal die alleen maar eindeloos door kan gaan, hoeveel ethiek of religie je er ook tegenaan gooit. Ik hoorde een van de bioscoopbezoekers na afloop tegen haar vriendje zeggen, in antwoord op zijn onvermijdelijke vraag (die ik hier niet hardop zal stellen omdat het een spoiler is): `ja, natuurlijk, twee levens tegen een paar miljoen, dat is toch niets…’ En daar verwoordde zij precies de drogredenering die het rookgordijn is van deze hele war-on-terror: het gaat er helemaal niet om wat je doet op het moment dat de dreiging daar is, het gaat erom wat je doet om die dreiging te voorkomen. Een aanslag is altijd het onvermijdelijke gevolg van geweld en uitbuiting van onze kant. Het gaat er niet om welk antwoord we daarop geven, het gaat erom welke vraag we stellen. Wij zelf, ons handelen, het kwaad dat wij over de wereld verspreiden, vormt de legitimatie voor hun geweld tegen ons. Hun geweld en ons geweld zijn inderdaad twee kanten van dezelfde medaille. En die vicieuze cirkel kan alleen maar oneindig door blijven gaan. Het gaat niet om geloof of ongeloof, het gaat niet om waarheid of leugen, het gaat niet om goed of kwaad. Het gaat erom of we onszelf verheffen boven de ander en de ander minder achten dan onszelf. Dienen we een koninkrijk van geweld, dan maakt het niet uit aan welke kant je staat. Of dienen we een koninkrijk van vrede? Maar vrede heeft altijd een prijs, het kost je namelijk jezelf, je eigen gelijk. Unthinkable? No, i don’t think so. [...]

]]> By: NTG http://www.ntwrightproject.com/2009/05/08/violence-monsters-and-the-ascension-barth-and-wright-on-the-problem-of-war/#comment-19472 NTG Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:16:09 +0000 http://www.ntwrightproject.com/?p=214#comment-19472 Have you read Revelation or the other end times passages? Where the Son of Man returns in power with a sword? His kingdom is not 'of this world' right now, but it will be at the end of the age. So yes, I can imagine Christ with weapons, although as someone pointed out, His own innate power will be plenty. I think the references to a sword coming from his mouth is figuratively saying that His words will have power like a sword. In the meantime, I will take any means necessary to prevent an evil man from accomplishing his evil goals. If I can avoid killing him, I will. But I'd much rather kill a man, if necessary and with regret, than let him, say, molest and kill a little girl. I really can't imagine Jesus standing by and letting that happen. Jesus had divine power to work with, and thus perhaps it could be argued that he could prevent the rape without hurting (at least physically) the perpetrator. I have a fist, or maybe a big stick if I'm lucky. I'll have to make the most of it if the situation ever comes up. Consider that even pacifists believe in using force to prevent evil, they just say that there's some maximum permissible force. No pacifist I've ever met would say it was wrong to take a gun from someone who was trying to use it for murder. That's theft, and probably requires physical strength to break his grip, but I think we all agree it's a good idea. Say you're at a distance, would you through a stick to knock the gun out of his hand? Of course you would. What if the stick cut his wrist when it hit him? Would that mean you'd made the wrong choice, you should have just let him shoot someone? Of course not! What if it broke his arm? Still, we all agree (I think) that it's still the best thing to do. But this is violence (opposing someone's sovereign, God-given will by stopping them from accomplishing it), just not deadly violence. If this kind of reasoning interests you in any way, or even if you find it appalling because I haven't quoted scripture yet, or if you have any strong feelings at all about what I've said, I recommend you read the article by C.S.Lewis entitled "Why I am not a pacifist". It is very clearly reasoned. No Christian should believe what someone says simply because they are a respected Christian teacher without first checking to see if perhaps some other respected Christian teacher says the opposite. Then study both carefully and respectfully and make a decision. But remember that there are things on which Christians may legitimately differ, and all will be made clear in the life to come. Cheers A man with a sword Have you read Revelation or the other end times passages? Where the Son of Man returns in power with a sword? His kingdom is not ‘of this world’ right now, but it will be at the end of the age. So yes, I can imagine Christ with weapons, although as someone pointed out, His own innate power will be plenty. I think the references to a sword coming from his mouth is figuratively saying that His words will have power like a sword. In the meantime, I will take any means necessary to prevent an evil man from accomplishing his evil goals. If I can avoid killing him, I will. But I’d much rather kill a man, if necessary and with regret, than let him, say, molest and kill a little girl. I really can’t imagine Jesus standing by and letting that happen. Jesus had divine power to work with, and thus perhaps it could be argued that he could prevent the rape without hurting (at least physically) the perpetrator. I have a fist, or maybe a big stick if I’m lucky. I’ll have to make the most of it if the situation ever comes up.

Consider that even pacifists believe in using force to prevent evil, they just say that there’s some maximum permissible force. No pacifist I’ve ever met would say it was wrong to take a gun from someone who was trying to use it for murder. That’s theft, and probably requires physical strength to break his grip, but I think we all agree it’s a good idea. Say you’re at a distance, would you through a stick to knock the gun out of his hand? Of course you would. What if the stick cut his wrist when it hit him? Would that mean you’d made the wrong choice, you should have just let him shoot someone? Of course not! What if it broke his arm? Still, we all agree (I think) that it’s still the best thing to do. But this is violence (opposing someone’s sovereign, God-given will by stopping them from accomplishing it), just not deadly violence.

If this kind of reasoning interests you in any way, or even if you find it appalling because I haven’t quoted scripture yet, or if you have any strong feelings at all about what I’ve said, I recommend you read the article by C.S.Lewis entitled “Why I am not a pacifist”. It is very clearly reasoned. No Christian should believe what someone says simply because they are a respected Christian teacher without first checking to see if perhaps some other respected Christian teacher says the opposite. Then study both carefully and respectfully and make a decision. But remember that there are things on which Christians may legitimately differ, and all will be made clear in the life to come.

Cheers

A man with a sword

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